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I thought i would create this thread so any user can post up their thoughts on what is happening amongst the Drift Scene in Australia (Im sure we can talk about others when the topic arises).

 

For this thread to work we will all need to be civilised and respect each others opinions. Pretty much a lol worthy statement when posted on NS but we are all mature and think about what were posting when we are in this topic :)

 

 

To start things off nice and toasty, What do you think could be improved amongst the Australian Scene right now? Remember before you click the post button, think about what you're posting and if its civilised.

 

Turning this into a beef center mecca of destruction would really be a shame.

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in the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

i and many other can only dream of drifting becoming a "good" thing in society. people just hate.

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with the emergence of the adgp i dont think much else can be done untill thats up and sorted.

 

most states have there own things going on yhat are well established and work well. once adgp is sorted maybe use these state comps as feeder rounds into adgp?

 

sorry if i make little sense. on my phone haha

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in the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

 

Thats why we change this thought instead of using it as a deterrent to all of us :)

 

Dan - I pretty much agree but there still needs to be more unity in the community.

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Spectators are too far away from the track, I recently swapped from you porn too you tube and paid more attention to some videos,

when your up close and personal it excites you more, most good jap events, formula d etc your closer better spectating

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One thing to improve the image of drift here in Vic IMO even though it's been said and campaigned numerous times is another track besides winton! The amount of space out past werribee and Lara there is so much room and the cost of the track would be paye off in a year no worries! I know personally that will pull alot of street drifters off the street and onto the track, making the scene a little more acceptable in the public eye and as a professional sport! That's my two cents anyway

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In the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

Which is Ironic I guess considering what V8 Supercars isn't that much different... (It's still a motorsport)

 

I think it just needs some TV attention, maybe if they had a couple of top tier drifters doing like pre-V8 Motorsport entertainment everyone would go 'oh wow!'

 

But it's a Motorsport filled with mostly young guys and I don't know how our aged folk will take to it, my parents think it's a good show of skill and mechanical know how (as most of the drivers don't have their own pit crew) and therefore don't mind it. What they do mind is people doing it on the street.

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I have to say, for me i see the biggest problem being Aussie car enthusiasts attitudes! Most of what i hear and see is people acting like selfish, spoilt brats. We have to grow up. We have a great country that you can still enjoy a lot of freadom to like, drive, do what you want (a lot of asian, european, even american country's are much tougher with regards to costs, pressure's of population etc).

 

If you study how and why the japs and european's act within there auto scene's it much more respectful and proffessional, thus creating a more dependable, solid state of affair for holding, supporting, respecting auto sports, traditions, and everything that comes with it.

 

In Australia you can pretty much depend on most events being marred by some sort of general hooliganism. Once we learn to appreciate what we have and be grown ups about it. Then only will we be able to more forward.

 

Luckily i see drifting as being a bit more progressive in its attitude due to the nature of the different styles of people it appreals to (unlike v8's etc which is pretty much westy bogan whitebread, louts) But the art of drifiting attracts a broader class of fans. (for me personally i was never into the car scene until drifting came along) which for me as a child was something i loved, getting sideways, i used to love looking back at my rear wheel on my dirt bike as i punched it through a corner spitting dirt out holdling onto the angle. I never thought there would acctually be a sport invovling road cars where this became the done thing! so happily to my surprise the rise of drifting happend :).

 

Gettin a bit off track. Point beeing, we need to mature and become a little more sophisticated in our attitudes towards the world. and car culture if we want to get respected and have more oppertunity to grow. Done (excuse my shit spelling.

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Personally in NSW we need another track... or some daytime prac days like we used to have.

 

Laid back praccy days like OP used to be with everyone having a laugh and a good time and creating that drift community we had back in Oran days.

IMO drift is getting glamourised which to grow the sport is good in a lot of ways but can also take away teh grass roots feel and for a lot of new drivers be intimidating when wanting to learn with hundreds of people watching.

 

my 2c anyways

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Public perception of drift is changing. More people know what it is which is great. With the start of ADGP here in Aus things will hopefully pick up for all. Having a national series with coverage is what Sponsors want, therefore hopefully it will be easier to gain sponsorship and thus more exposure.

 

One of the issues here in Adelaide at least is that our media outlets still see Drifting as 'hooning' and won't support it, the newspaper doesn't care and the tv shows like to get the audiences attention.

 

I absolutely can't wait for the ADGP series, bring on September!

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One thing to improve the image of drift here in Vic IMO even though it's been said and campaigned numerous times is another track besides winton! The amount of space out past werribee and Lara there is so much room and the cost of the track would be paye off in a year no worries! I know personally that will pull alot of street drifters off the street and onto the track, making the scene a little more acceptable in the public eye and as a professional sport! That's my two cents anyway

the money generated on fines would be a higher turn around after a track was built.

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If the adgp gets good air time more people will be exposed to it as a form of motorsport rather than a tt/aca highlight reel.

 

Once it gets a little more established we might see a little more acceptance of it, this would be over years IMO though.

 

In a way it's like mma, it's only now starting to be more accepted as a sport whereas go back ten years & it people cringed. I think te ufc helped it along by making a polished product in their shows, if adgp gets their air time and can create a polished product in doing so I'd say that'd help bring more people in.

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In the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

Which is Ironic I guess considering what V8 Supercars isn't that much different... (It's still a motorsport)

 

I think it just needs some TV attention, maybe if they had a couple of top tier drifters doing like pre-V8 Motorsport entertainment everyone would go 'oh wow!'

 

But it's a Motorsport filled with mostly young guys and I don't know how our aged folk will take to it, my parents think it's a good show of skill and mechanical know how (as most of the drivers don't have their own pit crew) and therefore don't mind it. What they do mind is people doing it on the street.

if it was to be done in a v8 supercar everyone would applaud it, but different for a silvia in their eyes.

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in the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

Spot on.

Australians don't understand drift.

I also think Australians see drift as un- Australian, and that plays a big factor in this.

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in the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

Spot on.

Australians don't understand drift.

I also think Australians see drift as un- Australian, and that plays a big factor in this.

thanks to such shows as ACA, TT etc etc. i would love for it to take over the GP but it's never going to happen. as stated people consider it a act of hooning.

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in the eyes of average australians there's nothing civil about going sideways, clouds of smoke, burning rubber smashed up pigs.

 

Spot on.

Australians don't understand drift.

I also think Australians see drift as un- Australian, and that plays a big factor in this.

 

Exactly! Robbie Bolger would have to be our most successful drifter money wise too. He does demo's in his utes with Mingay for events and even is test driver for Holden now too. So everyone can bag him out, but he is successful!

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Get a few drivers in monaro/v8 utes & they probably wont know the difference.

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Some of the biggest problems?

 

1) There have been a lot of drivers who've trashed their sponsors over the years - people with money get their fingers burnt and won't touch it. Mention the word 'drift' to anyone at Hankook and see what response you get. I could name a stack of others who've walked away after drifters promised them the world then gave them nothing for their money.

 

2) People like to get caught up in the hype when a new series starts, but then have overly high expectations of what organisers can achieve, then trash the event when it doesn't live up to their standards. I hope, for the future of the sport, that ADGP doesn't suffer this fate.

 

There's more, but that's a start ;)

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1) There have been a lot of drivers who've trashed their sponsors over the years - people with money get their fingers burnt and won't touch it. Mention the word 'drift' to anyone at Hankook and see what response you get. I could name a stack of others who've walked away after drifters promised them the world then gave them nothing for their money.

 

Bingo..

 

 

Drifters view on sponsorship = Free Shit.

 

The same at my work Whiteline you mention drift and they bring up how they tried to get involved at the time and had someone give them a bad taste of what they thought was sponsorship and now think we are all just wanting freebies and will have crap looking cars and do no help in marketing.

I have swayed them a bit lately but the only light of hope was Luke Broadbent did Whiteline a favor with a use of his sway bar and we made him a new one . He put some signage on the car for WTAC and luck had it that he placed so well they thought at least well of Luke so maybe we can pave away to change there minds in the future.

 

I keep telling them we need to develop a whole car for the upcoming series for me to drive but that is not quite happening either lol!!!

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I personally dont think theres anything wrong with the drifting scene at all. If i were to have one negative point i'd say the internet is a mood killer sometimes for awesome events pre and after. Im just glad down here in tas that i get the opportunity to drift, as it was very hard to get onto the tracks to do it to begin with. I think thats why it works so well down here, because instead of wanting big dollar sponsors, more events and so on we are just stoked that we get the events we do.

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i want to hear more about what drivers have don to sponsers in the past? dont have to name and shame people as that isnt what this thread is about but id like to know what happened

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i want to hear more about what drivers have don to sponsers in the past?

spelling it wrong really annoys them

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well in vic its not too bad i guess other than the treck to winton and so many rules..

cant there just be a waiver to sign saying whatever happens on their property isnt their problem so then people

can stand on the edge of the track and shit? ive been doing it on the street for years,

 

and also tooheys 4x sucks

 

 

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well in vic its not too bad i guess other than the treck to winton and so many rules..

cant there just be a waiver to sign saying whatever happens on their property isnt their problem so then people

can stand on the edge of the track and shit? ive been doing it on the street for years,

 

and also tooheys 4x sucks

 

 

 

 

On a dvd shoot the camera man stood on the entry point to the skid pan at Oran and thought he would be ok and could see what our lines were and move if need be.

 

I then over shot my entry and he kept his eye in the camera and did not realise until the last minute and with one leg of the tripod on the track I hit him and the camera !!

 

To me we hit the track to get away from Police problems ,plus gutters and pedestrians to just have fun and not have to worry about hitting or hurting anyone so having people on our near the edge of the track will only one day end up a disaster .

 

Imagine Tracy at ACA if she knew some one was hit drifting !!!

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I think drifting in aus is pretty fun a few different tracks around (Country wise) It's really annoying how little the government care about it or think about the benefits.

 

A lot of poeple just want to make some coin off it. Which makes it cost more for the actual drifters.

 

Ultimately I just wanna get sideways with a couple of mates and have alot of fun. Would be nice if someone bought me tyres once n awhile tho..

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Some of the biggest problems?

 

1) There have been a lot of drivers who've trashed their sponsors over the years - people with money get their fingers burnt and won't touch it. Mention the word 'drift' to anyone at Hankook and see what response you get. I could name a stack of others who've walked away after drifters promised them the world then gave them nothing for their money.

 

2) People like to get caught up in the hype when a new series starts, but then have overly high expectations of what organisers can achieve, then trash the event when it doesn't live up to their standards. I hope, for the future of the sport, that ADGP doesn't suffer this fate.

 

There's more, but that's a start ;)

 

 

Listen to this guy, he's right ^^^

 

Not to mention promoters getting burned just as much. I know of several sponsors too who don't want a bar of drifting anymore, promoters who don't want it on their shows and all due to the actions of a silly minority. A few dodgy promoters have had a go at running drift events and burned sponsors and competitors too, so it goes both ways. On the flip side there's a lot going well too. WTAC was good, and there seems to be a lot of effort going into the Drift GP thing. Looks like a lot of grass roots activity in some states.

 

 

In all my Oran Park and DA days I could count on one hand the number of drivers who approached me to by bulk-buy tickets for their sponsors, yet we generally included a bulk buy tickets discount clause in the regs for each event. Such an easy thing to include in any sponsorship package, yet so often overlooked. Even the sponsors who give you a discount, or a free part, do you give them a ticket, a signed photo of your car to hang up, make your car available for a display at their business, offer to do a bit of promo work for them, post up a thanks or promo on ns.com? Ask them for some t-shirts to make sure you look professional for them. Or go down to Lowes and buy a few cheap tshirts for your team to wear, sponsor or not. If you look like a team, that's easy, and doesn't have to cost a lot.

 

We all need to suck up to sponsors, even if they don't sponsor you directly. If a sponsor spends money on drifting generally we should, as a community, use their products and support those who support US. If someone in my cricket club or in any other sporting club I've ever played for, was found drinking at a pub other than the pub that sponsors our club, there'd be big trouble. Why can't we treat OUR sponsors the same way? It is a close community ( or at least it should be). And when you buy a sponsor's product, tell 'em it is because they support drifting. This much we CAN do people. Why can't we stick together and look after each other a bit?

 

Oh and shoot whingers! We shouldn't look after whingers. We should just shoot 'em.

 

And for the record a track costs about $1mil per km to put down permantently not counting other facilities, and it would take a lot more than 1 year to pay back, assuming you get the land for free and the neighbours don't complain. (The cost of bitumen is directly related to the cost of oil for obvious reasons). If you don't spend that much money, the track will lift, crack or bump up after about 3-4 years. Trying to find even a rural property where the neighbours will accept track noise and traffic close by is nowhere near as easy at it might seem. I'm not saying don't try, I am saying it is hard to do. Now I'm sounding like a cranky old bugger (maybe cos I am??) but at least be realistic. If anyone wants to get a track going, I am happy to pledge any knowledge and contacts I have if it will help. The offer has always been there.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff

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From what I find alot of wannabe drifters are proud of i being looked down apon and being a minority. This isnt the attitude the sport needs.

 

I mean, AFL wouldn't be big if it was all about the riots and fights.

 

The problem is, drifting is kicking off. But it's bringing in the wrong crowd, i stopped because people started bringing their personal issues to the track. I wanna go out and watch some racing not get in fights because 4 years ago i hit on some guys girlfriend.

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