If you get pulled over by a cop who knows what hes looking for then yes.

my rego is due this friday but i cant pay it till next wednesday, im not going to drive my car till i can pay for it but im wondering will i need to get another rwc? or do i have a few weeks before i gotta take it into vicroads to re-register it?

no if you dont pay for your rego within 3 months then yeh new rwc is required

hi my exhaust is starting to get a bit of rust on it so i was going to have another one made up (2 1/4) inch with two 2.5 inch tips (stock looking) rather than go out and buy a second hand 18yr old exhaust and replace the cat while im doing that to with a metalic cat so it will be pretty close to stock looking. i was wondering though will the police get $h!tty at me cause im not aloude to have any mods ( got my P's after july 07) or will they most likely not care as its not much of an upgrade. and what can happen if they want to make a big deal out of it.

i have a pontiac trans am that has been sitting in my shed for the last 22 years and i was wondering how would i go about selling it? coz it was imported would i need all the ownership papers and stuff? coz it belongs to my old mans friend who left it there and forgot about it and he said we could get rid of it but i dont know how we would go selling a trans am thats only complete from the firewall back without any papers if it cant be registered

any help guys

Replacing a rusting exhaust with one of the same size will not cause you any issues at all. As long as it is a minimum of 100mm off the ground, not too loud and you retain a cat, you'll be fine.

Hey guys, I have tinted rear windows which are legal tint level. I have my P plates in the inside they are normally visible in night and day like clearly visible but this morning the skies were Grey which made the tint darker and made my P plates less visible. I got done for failing to display P plates. I didn't realize that it was less visible in this conditions other wise I would've mounted a sticker one outside but is it possible to appeal it in anyway? the officer took photos of the car as proof just in case. Too be honest though a warning would've been fair but yeah P plater bashing. 3 demerit points for Grey skies GG. and my license too only had 4 and a half months to go till my fulls.

You can object to the penalty notice by completing the Notice of Objection on the back. This will mean a brief of evidence will be prepared against you, and you will receive a summons to go to court in relation to this matter. Then it is up to the police to prove the charge.

At the end of the day, whether your windows are tinted or not, and whether it was under grey skies or not, if your P plates are not conspicuously displayed, you commit an offence.

hey smokey i got a fine in the mail the other day. its was for 3 point but its says " fail to obay a one way or a no entry sigh" but there is no one way or no entry sigh on that road. what can i do about it ?

Simple.

1 - Pay it
2 - Do nothing (in which case the matter will proceed through PERRIN and become a warrant)
3 - Write a letter requesting an official caution as per the Infringements Act 2006
4 - Contact the issuing member and ask for clarification
5 - Complete the Notice of Objection on the rear of the notice and elect to have the matter dealt with by the courts

just noticed alot of the points attached to offences were changed 1/7/07 here is a PDF link to all demerit point offences... seems alot of them changed 1/7/07 http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyre...nalties2007.pdf

Ok time for some legal advice

On the way back from phillip island a Cop booked me for doing 124kph in a 100 zone

Now he had no way to prove i was doing so and he was stuck in traffic blocked by other cars Now i want to fight this in court for the fact i got 1 pointleft
when i checked my speed i was sitting on 100 and then i checked my power FC to review what i have had done since i turned my car on (a good 20km of driving) and the top speed rached was 99kph i got footage of my power fc and i got a witness in the car and the police officer could not prove it was my car just said this is what i clocked you out showed me thing but when i asked to prove it was me he said "i cant" and i go what can i show my lawyer he said just the fine so what can i do in regards to this anyone know a good QC or a good lawyer i can go see in regards to this?

see a lawyer rob. so to clarify he showed you the radar gun with the reading? if you got proof i.e your fottage with your top speed on your pfc since you drove with the date ad time on video you have a very strong case hard to say here like i said best see a lwyer i had similar situation.

I'm sure this topic has been touched on before; however I can't be bothered reading through other stories.

I was pulled over yesterday in my standard Honda Civic ES sedan where I was issued with a form of infingement. The police officer proceeded to take photos of the rear of my car (without my knowledge) and then took photos of the front of the car - [with me sitting in it]. I told him I did not want to be in these photo's and he said that it's for his own use and that they will be destroyed "when-he-is-done-with-them". He also mentioned that he needed them in case I insisted on taking him to court.

I was not speeding; nor driving in any manner in which I should be considered a "hoon".

To the point - If I asked to specifically not be in these photo's - could he take them without me in the car? Or not even at all?

I felt personally intimidated about this matter to be honest. I'm not really happy about it.

The police have got every right to take photos of your car for evidentiary purposes for use at court later. Your car is in a public place and on a public road. If you don't have any photo ID or don't have your licence on you and they are not satisfied with your identity they can even take photos of your face to compare it to a licence photo. Whether we like it or not, there is nothing you can do about it. What does it matter whether your face was in the photo? It's not like the copper is going to publish the photos publicly. To answer your question, yes, he could have taken the photo without you in it but he probably didn't give a shit and your feelings don't mean jack to him. No-one will ever see the photos anyway unless you contest the matter at court. What did you get done for?

It sounds to me that you were pretty unlucky. If you feel and/or know you were not doing 124km/h - fight it. Just remember one thing, TMU coppers are considered 'experts' by Magistrates' and the courts at accurately estimating speed, so they don't require a radar or laser reading. This has been covered many times and it will be hard to beat at court. If you request, police MAY show you a radar or laser reading as courtesy but DO NOT have to at all. People are very narrow minded and there is a misconception that police MUST show you a speed reading. They don't have to show you f*ck all! They can estimate your speed from any location, stationary or moving, but only TMU coppers are really considered 'experts', not the general duty copper out of the academy a week.

Remember there are many ways one can be done for speeding.........

- hand held laser
- hand held radar
- moving mode radar (attached to police car)
- digitector (tapes on road)
- electrotector (time over distance device in police cars)
- expert estimation (TMU copper)
- stationery fixed traffic camera (Burnley tunnel, etc)
- mobile traffic camera (set up in car on side of road)
- professional evidence by accident scene re-constructionalist (skid marks, crush impact damage of vehicle, etc)

You forgot "air-tector"...speed check from an aircraft (such as the police helicopter).

Dont worry fighting it in court and from what i have found out from lawyer and so also experts there is alot of faults in the melb radar items and in my case since there was two cars me and 1 next to me that also provides examples and also the fact i have a witness now to prove the guy next to me was speeding before the incident

so if all goes well and that i should be off if not meh i will just keep my beliefes in the system doesnt work in melb and everything is dodgy HAHA

WTF? That is the longest sentence I have read.

ok heres on i cant find it on vicroads site. regarding driving a smaller truck on a car licence. what is the restriction until you have to get a medium rigid licece. is it on total mass of the truck or what

has the law changed in regards to pod filters? because i have a mate who got a canary for his pod even though it is attatched to the body of the car

i was just wondering if its now a defectable item or not

is it illegal to remove a timing belt cover?
or replace the timing belt and gears with an aftermarket setup?

Friend is going thru a situation at the moment which involves being summonsed.

AS far as lawyers.. does anyone have any direct experience .

On which lawyer?
And the end outcome, result ?

just pulling this from another thread smokey, i ment as in you will never register the car style... not a car that is planning to be furture registered (my bad)

so your saying if i pull a defect of a race car only that is a crime? but yet i will not be registering the car, so there is no need to keep it on? i dont understand how you would clear the defect on a race car then as its not "street registered"

Any vehicle used on a highway must be in a safe condition. The law says nothing about it having to be registered and safe. So regardless of the status of its rego, if it is unsafe, it can be defected.

If it is defected, the defect must be cleared. If it isn't, then the rego can be suspended. Now obviously, if the vehicle is never going to be registered, this isn't going to be of a major concern to anyone. But anyone who removes the label without the notice being cleared commits an offence. Furthermore, if you are defected and fail to clear the defect, but get caught using it later down the track, then you will be driving in breach of a defect notice, thereby committing another offence.

Smokey what exactly does an engineers report cover? I have one for my car, and under ADR's effected i have something like 15-20 different ADRS codes/numbers.

I'm assuming cars on trader plates can be defected aswell?

Would the plate get the defect against it? Or will the car?


When you say "safe" in terms of road worthy, say if i were to buy a permit on an unregod car, tyres, ride height n all were good and sweet, but i had a bov + pod would i still get a defect? or are u guys not that tight?

Absolutely.



I guess that depends on how well the copper concerned is concentrating. I'd be using the VIN, but in the absence of any other identifying number, then the trade plate would wear it.



Again, it depends on the coppers involved. You would have seen by other posts on NS that there are some coppers out there who don't know what a BOV or a pod are. But if you happen to get pulled over by a TMU member from an area that has a specific problem with modified vehicles (Knox, Fawkner, Stonnington, Frankston, Latrobe, Bendigo just to name a few) then you would almost certainly wear a defect. Not to mention the unreg ticket if you were in breach of the permit!

Well I'd never ever get done for driving an un-regod car, I unfortunately know from first hand experience the importance of rego/tac

I don't think to many ppl on here are aware of just how bad it can get financially if someone is hurt by an unregisted car.

Yeah...I have a standard speil when I give an unreg ticket. The majority of our rego is a compulsory TAC insurance premium. This means, if you are injured in a motor vehicle collision, the TAC will in most cases cover your medical bills in excess of $450 (I think this is the current excess). BUT I have known them to refuse to cover someone after they were injured whilst driving an unregistered motor vehicle. If medical treatment includes a Helimed ride, then it could quite easily run into a bill of tens of thousands of dollars!

And that's before your insurance company refuses to payout on the wreck!

this is why i sold my sigma! no reg, not worth it....

i've heard of a person who had been cleaned up by a car with no reg/insurance. sadly the court system deemed the person unable to make a massive payment, so yes you guessed it $10 a week for the rest of his life, what a joke!




haha yeah i've heard many a story in relation to this.. and its funny when they crack the shits becuase they thought they had "insurance". i simply explain, no reg=not legal. not legal=not covered.

therefore all cars with illegal mods and so forth can be denied if insurance companys want too....

get your car engineered to be safe!

smokey this coming from the other tread. regarding the lancer evolution and number placement. the number plate on the front is on the passenger side from factory ut can be clearly visable from a 45 degree angle. is there an issue with it? or do most police just say oh it cant be on the side (which i have noticed alot do.
which law iis it. cant have a number plate on the side?
or as long as its visable from a 45 degree angle . ta

i would like to know about the rego plate

and also

if a police car is not in a RWC condition can they defect you?

And this is another good point. If your insurance company really wants to play hardball, they can play this card.

I have a family member whose insurance company refused to pay out because her car was unroadworthy at the time of the collision.

How? It had a tow bar fitted, but she wasn't towing anything. Rear sharp projection = unroadworthy. True story.

Have a read of the reg's. It is very black and white.

Why wouldn't they be able to? Just because their divvie van is unraodworthy doesn't mean they aren't police.

I rate this urban myth right up there with "You can't give me a ticket cos you don't have your hat/reflective vest on"

could you please shed any light on this smokes?

or should i call vic roads

Law states something like: Must be in standard position and the whole 45 deg thing

basically, ppl who move their plates for the cooler or just to look good will be defected.

cars like evos, holden crewmen (police spec division vans are also exempt) are fine the way they are


also people who cut/bent their plates are technically 'damaging government property' as in the end of the day, they belong to vic roads, not you.

can you take a defect to court?

Smokey I've only got 1 point left i dont want to risk losing my licence...

So my question is i have a Rx7 with front mount a bov straight to atmo im changing this to a turbosmart bov plumbback 38mm.

these are legal as far as I know now i have a pod on it to but am currently looking at boxing it up with stainless steel or putting some sort of cover on it and running 2 tubing from the front bar up to it well the element is covered is this legal if not want is the pentalty for having a exposed pod other than getting cooler air as benefit, & atmo bov other than that the car is completely roadworthy.

so would i only get a defect if pulled over i dont need the attention i just want to enjoy the car id rather go to the track now then do the usual stuff majority of wannabe drift kings do on the streets.

or will i get fined and points lost...?


Cheers !

I think you only get demerit points if you drive a car against the conditions stated on the defect notice.

For example, you get a defect for bald tyres - defect notice writes "Vehicle not to be driven in wet conditions"

If you do, you aquire demerit points.

I'm not 100% on this as I have never been defected but from what I hear thats the go.

In regards to engineering, my car was engineered in the ACT (with all the papers) and then registered there. Then, when I bought it they moved the rego to VIC. I asked vicroads if I needed to get it engineered again, they said no, just keep the original papers on you.

Not to mention, vicroads inspected it when I went to get rego for it.


What is the police view on this - because I do have a pod filter + Intercooler, but they are part of the engineering papers - Or will the policeman just do me for them anyway?


Cheers in advance.

Do you for them anyway. It's part of the EPA laws and engineering certificate will mean nothing - you cannot have more than one modification on the 'intake' side.

ive been pulled over a few times for defects. never lost points.
its when you breach road rules you lose points ie. speeding, running red, talking on phone.

zomg! post deleted

anyways allow me to retort....

if the details on a fine you obtain are wrong is it possible to get away with not paying for the fine????

No, the issuing copper will just re-issue the fine but I suppose what details are wrong. If it is the time & date & location & offence & name & address & date of birth, etc etc.....the fine will most likely be cancelled, but I seriously doubt ALL these things will be wrong.

Has anyone sucsessfully argued the 10%+- speedo adr thing in court? And had there alleged speed dropped?

depends on the situation....

just pay it.... its only like 150 bucks and a demerit point......

defiantly not worth legal hassles

If it's the one demerit point, or couple of kph that makes you lose your licence though........

i'd contest that then..........

just say something like the speed camera was dodgy.....