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#1 jonesl

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 03:19 PM

Ok there have been some great results from these cheaper turbos but the sellers need to get their act together.
The info on their websites seems very poor.

I found this chart which show a bit more about the turbo's efficiency range.

They all seem to claim 350hp-450hp. But surly some will be better suited to the sr20 than others.
My goal is around 240-270kw, Wanting full boost around 4000rpm. (response is more important to me than power)

which would be the pick or the bunch, a larger TD05, or smallest TD06?
leaning towards the TD05-20g

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#2 Jarryd F

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:46 PM

TD05-18G will make around 240kW. Its pretty much a T518z

I bought a TD06SL2-20G hoping to make around 260-270kW mark.

#3 gpr180sx

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:50 PM

Td06 wont be ideal response wise... Td05 for sure

#4 jonesl

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 07:49 PM

Jarrad, keep us updated on the results. when you getting it tuned?

#5 eXquiSit

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 08:21 PM

whats the difference between the td06 and td06sl?

#6 jonesl

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 10:43 PM

View PosteXquiSit, on 10 August 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

whats the difference between the td06 and td06sl?

Judging by the turbo chart... Not much. Seem to flow roughly the same.
I think the SL has a differnt style compressor wheel with less blades.

#7 crossedup180

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 11:00 PM

I have one of these cores in greddy housings. TD06 20g 8cm on SR with poncams 550s z32. On a mainline dyno it Makes 230kw on 16psi with 550nm and on 19psi it makes 245kw with 620nm on a hell safe tune and stock motor. Built motor and 22psi should see 280 pretty easy I recon

#8 jonesl

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 11:30 PM

Guessing your injectors were the weakest link there, what the response like?

#9 pur40m

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 05:15 PM

well i have the td0518g on my sr poncams 555cc z32 and 19psi makes 231rwkw full boost is at 4200rpm
going to get a retune in a few months with 740cc and change the std exhaust manifold to a tomei expreme and 25psi hopeing for 250rwkw+

#10 Jarryd F

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 05:21 PM

View PosteXquiSit, on 10 August 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

whats the difference between the td06 and td06sl?

From what Ive been reading

the SL2 has a different rear wheel, turbine wheel. They changed it to increase response but the TD06H will give you more top end.

The compressor wheels are all 20G so they are the same. From reading the TD06SL2 with the Garrett 60-1 wheel will flow more, but I don't know of anyone who has used this.

#11 eXquiSit

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:18 PM

thanks for the help
=)

#12 skd-570

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:48 PM

From looking at this chart and from what jarred was saying that the td05 18g, is the same as a t518z, would it be a good responsive set up?
I'm only chasing 220-240rw but want as much response as possible. Will be with bc stage 2 cams and s15 injectors (at the moment anyway will get bigger injectors for it's full tune)

Thanks

#13 jonesl

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 10:24 PM

Lucky for you someone had already pioneered that turbo, Here are the results.

http://www.nissansil...8401&st=0&fcat=

#14 skd-570

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 11:18 AM

Thankyou for that! Just what I needed.

Thankyou for that! Just what I needed.

#15 jonesl

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:14 PM

Ok So I have narrowed it down to 2 turbos and done some research on both.

1) TD06-SL 20g. (350hp-420hp) or 313kw

Compressor: 52.5mm / 68 mm
turbine: 54.1 / 61mm

2) TD06-SL 18g (300hp-400hp) or 298kw

Compressor: 50.3mm / 68mm
Turbine: 54.1mm / 61mm (obviously the same)

Only difference being the 2.2mm smaller Inducer on the 18g.

I'm amusing the 18g will make slightly less power with more response.
But how minimal do you think the difference would be?

any thoughts?

#16 whyte

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 01:42 PM

18g will be perfect for you then.

Trent from Status tuning just tuned a SR with td06sl2-20g and it made 301rwkw @ 19psi with 264 hks cams

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#17 Red_Gem

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:28 PM

E85???

#18 jonesl

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:22 PM

Wow thats a great result. Must be e885?

#19 caaraa

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:47 PM

Its pretty much a T518z.
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#20 jonesl

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:58 PM

View Postcaaraa, on 19 August 2011 - 04:47 PM, said:

Its pretty much a T518z.
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Umm.. pretty much nothing like one =\

td05 18g is "pretty much a T518z"

#21 Jarryd F

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:28 PM

get the TD06SL2-20G man, no point going the 18G. It would be more responsive to go the TD05-18G. Just make sure its 8cm² the 10cm² is too big.

#22 jonesl

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:46 PM

Talked me into it Jarryd, 20g it is. Sick of procrastinating. =p

How you going with yours? Any fittment issues.

#23 Guest_-SR NRG-_*

Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:57 PM

it was the 20g not the 18, this is the third one of these i have seen first hand crack 300 on less than 20psi, if someone is after a cheap turbo that actually performs these are it.
I am going to do a bit more testing on a few units in the coming months on built enignes to see what they can do on some descent fuel and another 2-5psi

#24 Jarryd F

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:59 PM

get the SL2 if you want response.

Fitted it all up. Fits perfect on the stock manifolds.

View Post-SR NRG-, on 19 August 2011 - 05:57 PM, said:

it was the 20g not the 18, this is the third one of these i have seen first hand crack 300 on less than 20psi, if someone is after a cheap turbo that actually performs these are it.
I am going to do a bit more testing on a few units in the coming months on built enignes to see what they can do on some descent fuel and another 2-5psi
Was that on 98 or E85 Donny?

#25 Guest_-SR NRG-_*

Posted 19 August 2011 - 06:11 PM

jaz seans above was on 98 im pretty sure, as was the other one i saw, dazzas was on e85 but was a very safe tune and was only like 17-18psi i think
im going to run one up on my s14 in a month or 2 to around 22-25psi using pp 110 fuel and solid head, and im just building dazzas motor now so will probably crank 20-22 in that in a few weeks but as his running close to 95% with the id1000's already on 300kw im not sure if we will have time to change fuel system before the tune so might be a while before we do a full on tune on 22psi with it

#26 Jarryd F

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 06:15 PM

f**king f**k thats crazy! good work!

#27 Guest_-SR NRG-_*

Posted 19 August 2011 - 06:28 PM

you got a strong bottom end jarryd but from memory its high comp so if i was you i would either go conservative or get the thing on e85 other wise i doubt you will get much more than 18-20psi before running into some det issues.
other otion is maybe some water/meth injections? cheap and has similar effects

#28 Jarryd F

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 08:49 PM

What bout running PP110? Don't really want to go down the E85 parth yet.

#29 Guest_-SR NRG-_*

Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:29 PM

Well pp110 is harder to get and more expensive its ok if its a track car but i wouldnt use it ob the street

#30 Jarryd F

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:32 PM

Just going to have to stick with the trusty Bp ultimate then.





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