[hyper knight]

why not run some n20?

Try a 150hp kit. your internals may not cope that and you will need aftermarket managment.

My engine is all forged up and i have a t28 jap spec unit, I plan on having the following:

150hp n20 kit
semi slicks
exhaust manifold
intercooler, fuel pump, 500cc injectors.
power fc
cams if budget is still ok.

Hopefully with my suspension dampers set as low as possible and the car stripped out I can get mid 12s.

Keep that in mind because if you want a good street/drifter but also want fast times, might be best to invest in some nitrous.

[Streeter]

Nitrous is awesome I have used it on a number of engines but have to admit I wouldnt be bolting it onto my sr20det... too friggen expensive if you get it wrong!! and trust me with varying ambient temps changing bottle temps/bottle pressure and therefore fuel requirements you DO get it wrong from time to time and the engine doesnt always cope :/ The s15 is screaming to be put sideways dont waste it on the 1/4.

[neil_se]

hyper knight, on Jul 31 2004, 10:54 PM, said:

Try a 150hp kit.

As i understand it, a 150hp shot in a turbo car will give you something well over 200hp. I probably haven't read up enough on the subject but it's something i would definately do some investigating into before i used such a large shot.

Edit: Found a quote by Steve from Redcliffe Dyno:
"well when you use nitrous in a forced induction setup the gas percentage is double, in other words put in 50hp jets and get 100hp kick, you must be careful in a turbo situation."

[manus]

Chop Sticks, on Aug 1 2004, 01:05 AM, said:

We got a budget of $10,000k. Hopefully if we shop around we're hoping to get good deals on the parts.

$10k is still nowhere near enough to build a 10 second S15, not even close. I'm not sure how cheap you think you can get parts for, but unless you are paying less than cost, you won't do it.

[Chop Sticks]

Manus - Your probably right. We couldnt get a 10sec car for 10K but im pretty sure we can get one to run high 11s for that much.

We want to try get the car to run high to mid 11s without NOS first. But i think most people are telling us to use a high stall Automatic. Something i dont think my mate would like.

[neil_se]

Righto, time to start writing down some figures. Here's some rough figures with most being at least 10% under what you're actually likely to pay (ie. bargain basement prices) and not using the top brands gear. It also excludes all labour except for the full internals and there's probably heaps more i've missed.

fmic +piping $1200
full exhaust $1200
PFC+ tuning $2000
injectors $600
turbo $2000
AFM $300
ebc $350
catch can $120
pod $120
fuel pump $250
clutch (2nd hand) $1000
cams $800
Sub-total: $9940

radiator $700
oil cooler $600
manifold $500 ($1500+ for hks)
coil packs $800
Greddy plenum $900
Sard FPR $150
2-way LSD $900
Brake upgrade $1200
Tein suspension w lowered springs $900 (no way you'd use coilovers)
F&R Strut bars $180
Other suspension parts $400
Nittos $800
harness $250
seat $700
ANDRA-rollcage $2000+?
Flywheel scatter-shield $?
Sub-total: $1180

Full internals if you actually want to last over 300rwkw $6000++

TOTAL: $27000+

[Streeter]

This is exactly my point... you could get a complete LC torana with a small block for less than the modification costs and be running 9s. I dunno its prolly just me but I cant understand why ppl handicap them selves by trying to drag race silvias/civics etc. They could be going SOO much faster if they just used what works.

[Chop Sticks]

Thanks neil se for those figures. Whats the expected times from the first section??

[BLK18Q]

If your make around 270rwkw and you add 150 shot of nos you can say bye to your engine maybe try using race fuel and push power up to 300ewkw or better and use a tomei lash killer kit as well. I have seen a R33 whale in full street trime do the 1/4 mile in 11.7 with nitto 555R types had 335rwkw i dont see how a 300kw S15 with insides remove when drag racing and semi-slicks cant run into the 11s

[BLK18Q]

http://www.nengun.co...d2490627c4686ee
there is the start kit to kick everything off

[neil_se]

You could probably get a flat 12 from the first section plus some good tyres. The standard suspension is pretty well suited to the drag strip.

[Envious_of_me]

do ecu, injectors, fmic, exhaust, and a td06-25g

[Volcom]

For a budget that small, the car will be sepnding more time in the workshop than on the track. Also im not sure if there was an aftermarket gearbox in the estimation, youll proablly need one to replace the 6 speed.

[Rambo]

man, go buy fast fours August edition there is an s15 in there that runs 10.8 (300rwkw) on 20 psi.

Im not going to write down the list of whats on there, most of it has been mentioned.
and he is using a HKS 25/40 TURBO! So looks like it could produce the power, and wont be as laggy as a big fat T88.
He is also running standard gearbox (6 speed), standard diff, and brakes.
Those standard components wont last too long though with that power.

so go buy fast fours, see what this guy 'GRKPWR' has done!

[onboost]

lol, its funny how u get asked these questions when the big question is how much u want to spend? 2540 isnt big enough and the one in fast fours or wateva bunna magazine it is is only rated at 370hp now unless he has changed the front wheel good luck and i know that dude wouldnt specify wat turbo he runs in the mag as we all pretty much know at 20psi a 2540 will not make 300rwkw, his bluffing alot of ppl do. u need to show around 450-500 hp to get that time go a 500hp roller or 600 roller will do the job, even a 3037s Pro s might do it. It takes alot of $$$ and time, and the parts list will be as big as the article if everything would be writtin down. U goto remember that its the smaller little things that rape ur cash, like fittings, bolts ignition systems etc. Im sure a lot of ppl that have built big hp cars will agree with me here. For the ones that dont well u havnt played enough

[Rambo]

yeh true man.
Either way its a 25/40. And either way its gonna cost a shit load!

[Volcom]

Im backing up rambo, it does say he uses a 25/40 turbo. But then again with the minimal amount of mods they have mentioned in the article , he would not make a 10 sec pass.

[dog_mongrel]

put an rb26 in it and mod that

[Rambo]

Yeh there is pretty minimal mods. The block itself has been pretty modded though, been stripped bare, the crankshaft is the only standard part left. New rods, forgies, rings, ported head tomei camshafts etc etc etc.
Dunno why he would bluff though

[onboost]

ok well i know 2540's they are rated at 400 max at the engine, know he has go that at the wheels at 20psi its phisycs however its spelt lol, and 20psi 3000rwkw is not right as ppl with bigger turbos dont get that. the 2540 users a to4e compressor wheel 46trim which isnt a good wheel, unless he has a 3040 type front wheel and even then good luck. Man most the guys in the magerzines spin shit like that lancer a while back green thing with a supercharger he reconds hes got 180kw at the wheels on 7psi lol get frkt 300 would be on avgas atleast

[SLYSX]

if you think you can get a 10sec car for 10k your a noob,

You will need atleast 300rwkw to get anywhere near the 10sec zone with slicks and gas.

your best getting either a 3037s or a T67-25g to get into the 10's on slicks. You will need to do internals and cams which will cost you atleast like 10k just for them plus around 6-7k for turbo setup, plus exhuast, cooler, oil cooler radiator, aftermarket ECU.

[onboost]

tru that, i luv it wen ppl say they wanna do budget big hp builds lol

[Adash =P]

Streeter, on Aug 1 2004, 01:30 PM, said:

you could get a complete LC

Just do what this dude said

Streeter - Do they have many torana's in Japan?

[Streeter]

funny you should mention that... check out some of these pics from a Central Circut drift / zero-yon day I was at.





now if these guys go to the trouble of importing small blocks to drag race WTF are you doin trying to drag race an s15 LOL

[HAYAI]

engine rebuild definate
some turbos i know that will hit the 11's are the T67 (as mentioned) and the T04R, around 840cc injectors should be alright.
yes with 10K u should be able to hit the 11's (assuming you have the basics done already such as the FMIC and exhaust etc)
DO NOT FORGET TO WORK ON SUSPENSION !!!!!

10's is the legendary barrier , don't bother unless u aren't worried about the amount of money u are going to spend.

[Guy-jin]

I am yet to run a 10sec pass, but I am working on it so my advice would be to save 10-15 grand for the build then save another 10 grand for everything you break trying to run the 10.

[[SXTC]]

These are the specs that the GRKPWR 10.7 sec s15 has in this months issue of Fast Fours:

Prepped crakshaft
Carrillo conrods
Arias 8.2:1 forgies
Speed rings
Ported cylinder head
Solid lifters
Heavy-duty spring valves
Tomei camshafts and metal head gasket
HKS head bolts

K&N filter
HKS 25/40 turbo
modified Blitz intercooler
HKS injectors
Walbro fuel pump
Sard pressure regulator
Apexi PFC
HKS exhaust manifold and 3 inch system

STANDARD 6 SPEED BOX

heavy duty single plate with lightened flywheel
2 inch lowered king springs


AND AFTER ALL THAT THEY STILL NEED A BIG SHOT OF NOS

[Chop Sticks]

Okiez people. Thanks for the input. Well today i went out and got a FMIC. Im about to buy a HKS GT-RS Turbo tomorrow. The guy at Genesis Racing said its good for 400hp. Is this turbo ok for the setup??

[neil_se]

400rwhp or 400@flywheel? You should make 260-270rwkw with cams and some decent boost.

[mossy316]

jungle_s14, on Jul 31 2004, 03:43 AM, said:

a s15 is prob not the best building block for a drag car anyway.... light rear end isnt gonna help.

yer was thinkin the same thing

you will need bigger turbo
700cc injectors
5 speed out if a n/a s13

and im sure there is more but brain is sore