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Bar & Plate VS Tube & Fin Intercoolers. Branded VS Cheap 

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#1 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:26 AM

Hey guys, just wondering whats better, i own an s14 auto. its got a pod filter and 3inch turbo back. Looking at getting an intercooler. not sure if i should be paying $300 more for a branded intercooler, and im not sure what type of intercooler to get, any help is great Posted Image cheers Posted Image

Edited by blingcommander, 13 July 2012 - 09:13 PM.


#2 S14_Lee

  • Joined:29-July 10
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:S14 Zenki,

Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:52 AM

I voted the way i did because its what i have on my car, its on my car because my tuner would not fit cheap shit. mine is a blitz,

But unless you chasing big power a cooler is a cooler, they all have similar presssure drop etc etc, hybird kits are just as good.

An expensive cooler wont make any extra power you basicly just pay for the name.

#3 nisskid

  • Joined:10-May 05
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:R32 4dr, C33 & A31

Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:58 AM

http://www.iwsti.com...tercoolers.html

#4 Snack Box

  • Joined:09-January 10
  • Location:Australia VIC
  • Car:s15 200sx

Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:34 AM

GKTECH, no holes in battery tray I put one in after a big generic fmic it's smaller and more piper but found it better in lower revs.


Only 599 for a kit too

#5 (OO)SKYLINE(OO)

  • Joined:17-August 09
  • Location:Australia VIC
  • Car:R32 GTR, AE71 Rolla

Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:27 AM

Depending on what you want to use the car for will determine what type of intercooler you will get.

View Postnisskid, on 03 September 2010 - 02:58 AM, said:


+1

Tube and Fin = Better Flow (Drag Racing)

On the track for a lesser amount of time and need all the air it can get for those sub 10 secs.

Bar and Plate = Better Cooling (Circuit Work)

On track for a longer amount of time, heat rises rapidly, need all the cooling it can get.

That's how I see it.

#6 -LCD-

  • Joined:27-May 08
  • Location:Australia VIC

Posted 03 September 2010 - 12:27 PM

View Post(OO)SKYLINE(OO), on 03 September 2010 - 10:27 AM, said:

Depending on what you want to use the car for will determine what type of intercooler you will get.

View Postnisskid, on 03 September 2010 - 02:58 AM, said:


+1

Tube and Fin = Better Flow (Drag Racing)

On the track for a lesser amount of time and need all the air it can get for those sub 10 secs.

Bar and Plate = Better Cooling (Circuit Work)

On track for a longer amount of time, heat rises rapidly, need all the cooling it can get.

That's how I see it.

^^^ this

the reason why you would buy a branded kit over a china kit is fitment and quality. china kits dont fit very well, the joiners and clamps arent very good either, and generally you cant run an airbox with the setup. nothing to say you can go cheap on the core and then pay more for better fitting pipe work though. like anything you buy though. FULSH IT OUT BEFORE YOU USE IT. get your hands on an air gun and blow through the core to make sure theres no swarf or dirt etc in there.


-dan

#7 S15 sxytime

  • Joined:18-March 09
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:S15 GT spec R

Posted 03 September 2010 - 12:54 PM

I bought a PWR kit a few years ago it was expensive but the quality, finish and fitment was absolutely perfect well worth the money it even came with a new alloy undertray

#8 GODZILLA

  • Joined:24-August 03
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:JET200

Posted 03 September 2010 - 05:28 PM

That articel was pretty spot on

To give an example

I had a better quality "chinese" 3-inch tube and fin on my S14 and it made 330rwkW on race fuel. When I sprayed nitrous on the cooler during a run it made 350rwkW.

I then installed a 4-inch bar and plate ( needed to be thicker to flow enough) and it made 350rkW WIHTOUT the nitrous being sprayed.

So bar and palte cools better but needs to be bigger to flow as good as tube and fine

Also, the tube and fin weighed 6kg while the bar and plate weighed 11kg. But I'll take the extra 20kW and better cooling thanks.

But then again, it depends on design etc

remember one thing though. The more material in the cooler, the more heat it can absorb and dissipate, so the old "lighweight" sales pitch is rubbish.

Also, it depends on applciation. i have Saber intercooler on my drift car and it works killer!!! But the car makes 230rwkW, not 350

#9 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 03 September 2010 - 06:41 PM

thanks for that guys :) and thanks for that last comparrison with your car and different coolers :) i think i might either go a cheap bar and plate or an expensive tube and fin.. not quite sure yet.. my car is practically stock.. and i dont plan to spend to much money on other parts. maybe i will get away with an ebay cooler. also, would an ebay cooler with its piping and hoses be able to hold 14psi for the turbo

#10 S14_Lee

  • Joined:29-July 10
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  • Car:S14 Zenki,

Posted 04 September 2010 - 01:52 AM

^^ hold 14psi yes

#11 alroy

  • Joined:01-June 08
  • Car:nissan silvia s15 jap spec R

Posted 05 September 2010 - 06:51 PM

y not go the cheap greddy coolers? they fit pretty good and are an inbetween

#12 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:01 PM

arnt they like $700?

#13 GODZILLA

  • Joined:24-August 03
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:JET200

Posted 06 September 2010 - 06:45 PM

That is cheap!!!!!! Ive seen people buy junk kits for 400 then spend another 400 on buying betterclamps abd silicon and modifying it to fit. Buy thr cheap Greddy kit and be done with it.

#14 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 08 September 2010 - 07:15 PM

i think i might order a hybrid GT intercooler kit. "HDI GT SPEC INTERCOOLER KIT- S14 / S15 (SR20DET)"
HYBRID / HDI GT SPEC TUBE & FIN KIT
S14(SR20) - S15(SR20)
- Core Size: 600x300x78
- Overall size 800x300x78(including end tanks)
- 3"Inlet & 3"Outlet - Polished Finish
- low pressure drop 0.2psi at 15psi
- strong tube and fin design
- tested for up to 80psi (around 800hp)
- plumbing made from mandrel bent aluminium with chrome polished silver
- comes with all necessary mounting brackets, 3 layer silicon joiners and t-bolt race clamps.

$620 delivered. Thoughts?

#15 mik5082

  • Joined:09-July 09
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:2002 r-spec 200sx

Posted 08 September 2010 - 08:14 PM

this looks a good kit to use also anyone using one of these its the Otomoto kit

http://www.nissansil...howtopic=439398

#16 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 14 December 2010 - 03:37 PM

hybrid kit was of great quality :) as any kits, wasnt a DIRECT fit, but you know, very close :) some minor cutting and minor playing around gets it there :) havnt had any problems with it :)

#17 eXquiSit

  • Joined:25-September 04

Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:46 PM

so u got quoted $700 for greddy n $620 for hybrid n u went for hybrid?
LOL

#18 _Gav

  • Joined:08-February 08
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:S14A

Posted 14 December 2010 - 05:51 PM

Im in the market for a cooler now, thought I'd post in here instead of making a new thread..

So cant decide between Blitz SE kit ($700 JustJap) or the Greddy Spec LS (around $650ish)

Can someone help point me in the right direction? Or have another suggestion, would prefer to stay with a good well known brand name.

Thanks

#19 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 14 December 2010 - 10:10 PM

i didnt get quoted 700. i got quoted like, $1200 with installation. id rather pay $620 and try do it myself, which i did. very happy with it.

#20 yellow_S15

  • Joined:25-January 09
  • Location:Australia NT
  • Car:200SX S15

Posted 15 December 2010 - 08:47 AM

Lol, China kit.

$360, and 5 hours working out where all the bolts were, to take the front bar OFF ROFL, lesson learnt.... dont drink and drill.

#21 carrion

  • Joined:13-September 10
  • Location:Australia SA

Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:09 AM

View Postyellow_S15, on 15 December 2010 - 08:47 AM, said:

Lol, China kit.

$360, and 5 hours working out where all the bolts were, to take the front bar OFF ROFL, lesson learnt.... dont buy cheap shit for your car.


#22 SPRIGGAN82

  • Joined:02-October 06
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:S13 SILVIA

Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:32 PM

im going with no brand i had a greddy kit on my 32 had 190kw sold my cooler kit put a ebay one that i got for 100 bucks back on dyno made same power

#23 Glenno

  • Joined:11-January 10
  • Location:Australia WA
  • Car:200sx s14 S1

Posted 16 December 2010 - 09:54 AM

yeah, well the cooler is only the cooler :) if the boost stays the same then it would be weird to have different power ;)

#24 yellow_S15

  • Joined:25-January 09
  • Location:Australia NT
  • Car:200SX S15

Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:29 PM

View Postcarrion, on 15 December 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

View Postyellow_S15, on 15 December 2010 - 08:47 AM, said:

Lol, China kit.

$360, and 5 hours working out where all the bolts were, to take the front bar OFF ROFL, lesson learnt.... dont buy cheap shit for your car.


You know how I know your gay? you dont read before you edit some ones post.... I didnt have problems fitting the FMIC, all pipes fitted perfect, and there wasnt a single bolt missing.

#25 carrion

  • Joined:13-September 10
  • Location:Australia SA

Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:35 PM

Yea I think I realized at the time when I edited it that you were talking about the bar and not the intercooler. But then I was like f**k it, cbf editing it and making the post constructive.
(can't delete on iPhone)
I wouldn't trust the integrity or such a cheap item anyway though, not just fitment wise.

#26 yellow_S15

  • Joined:25-January 09
  • Location:Australia NT
  • Car:200SX S15

Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:48 PM

View Postcarrion, on 16 December 2010 - 12:35 PM, said:

Yea I think I realized at the time when I edited it that you were talking about the bar and not the intercooler. But then I was like f**k it, cbf editing it and making the post constructive.
(can't delete on iPhone)
I wouldn't trust the integrity or such a cheap item anyway though, not just fitment wise.


LOL I had to use that quote (You know how I know your gay?), Some one said it at work 2 day ROFL.

Iv got the EBC which read boost and a boost gague, and it only reads as a 2PSI diffrence. Its a pretty large FMIC core.

#27 carrion

  • Joined:13-September 10
  • Location:Australia SA

Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:52 PM

But is it flowing as fast or cooling as efficient as a GReddy or Blitz?

If your not tracking it I doubt it will ever matter though.

#28 yellow_S15

  • Joined:25-January 09
  • Location:Australia NT
  • Car:200SX S15

Posted 16 December 2010 - 01:04 PM

View Postcarrion, on 16 December 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

But is it flowing as fast or cooling as efficient as a GReddy or Blitz?

If your not tracking it I doubt it will ever matter though.


It dose, I have never had any real issues.

#29 Protius

  • Joined:18-July 06
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:S14 200SX

Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:41 AM

Hybrid coolers flow better than pwr coolers which my mate proved on his skyline. Even greddy flow better than pwr.

#30 it's.simon

  • Joined:02-January 10
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:Nissan 180SX SR20DET

Posted 18 December 2010 - 12:58 AM

this might be a retarded question, but on my core i got some dented fins...can i just take it off and flip it the other way so it hides the dents...
does the direction of the core make a difference?





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